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		<title>The City – San Francisco remains most overpriced region in California.  Bay Area home values down 41 percent from May 2006 peak.  10 years to get to the peak 1996 to 2006.  10 years to bottom out 2006 to 2016.</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 08:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People seem to think that simply having a good tech industry and a trendy scene warrants an entire region with many millions of people bidding on extremely old properties for whatever a bank will lend them.  I don’t say this with enthusiasm or any kind of bravado but the Bay Area has the most overpriced [...]<script type="text/javascript">SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: "The City – San Francisco remains most overpriced region in California.  Bay Area home values down 41 percent from May 2006 peak.  10 years to get to the peak 1996 to 2006.  10 years to bottom out 2006 to 2016.", url: "http://financemymoney.com/the-city-san-francisco-real-estate-bubble-most-over-priced-real-estate-in-california-household-incomes-versus-prices-bottom-in-2016/" });</script>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People seem to think that simply having a good tech industry and a trendy scene warrants an entire region with many millions of people bidding on extremely old properties for whatever a <a href="http://financemymoney.com/the-complete-guide-to-toxic-mortgages-and-the-housing-situation-of-california-%e2%80%93-option-arms-55-percent-of-jumbo-california-loans-are-arms-794000-distressed-properties-and-failed-loan-modif/">bank will lend them</a>.  I don’t say this with enthusiasm or any kind of bravado but the Bay Area has the most overpriced real estate in the entire state of California.  I’m not sure what it is but this region is completely disconnected from reality.  <a href="http://financemymoney.com/personal-income-for-american-worker-median-personal-income-for-those-working-in-america-is-much-less-than-you-would-think/">Incomes be damned</a>, people are eager to pay an arm and a leg for a glorified hut.  Yet here is the odd twist to the story; home prices in the Bay Area derived  from the Case Shiller San Francisco MSA data have fallen by 41 percent from the peak in 2006.  Does this sound like a boomtown in The City?</p>
<p><strong>A bubble has popped in The City</strong></p>
<p>You don’t have to be a charting genius to see that home prices have completely collapsed since the peak in 2006:</p>
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<p>From 1996 to 2006 home prices in San Francisco only knew to do one thing and that was to move up.  Yet that has now massively reversed.  It doesn’t help that California has a somewhat inconsistent budget process and incredibly low property tax rates.  This is a separate debate but home prices in the state were encouraged to go up with no regard to income thanks to <a href="http://financemymoney.com/the-complete-guide-to-toxic-mortgages-and-the-housing-situation-of-california-%e2%80%93-option-arms-55-percent-of-jumbo-california-loans-are-arms-794000-distressed-properties-and-failed-loan-modif/">funny mortgages</a> that belong in some kind of B-rated movie about financial swindles.  The obvious outcome was a bubble and the burst is what we are living in.</p>
<p>If we pull the data out, we find home prices moving lower and now stalling out.  The question is, will we see a second round lower?</p>
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<p>Think prices aren’t out of sync?  Take a look at this 833 square foot condo:</p>
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<p>The current sales price is $849,000.  When I see things like this it is hard to see any other path than seeing prices move even lower.  I took a look at income data for this zip code and it is $170,000.  No way can $170,000 a year pay for this place.  More to the point, why would anyone pay this much for 833 square feet?</p>
<p>I know some buy into the high price real estate world of California but the statistics show a very different picture and pattern emerging.  Sure San Francisco and the surrounding area are excellent but prices are simply out of line with what people can generate.  To say that incomes don’t matter when it comes to real estate prices is like saying the engine of a car doesn’t matter because the tires are inflated.  <a href="http://financemymoney.com/personal-income-for-american-worker-median-personal-income-for-those-working-in-america-is-much-less-than-you-would-think/">Incomes</a> absolutely matter.  Going into <a href="http://financemymoney.com/how-many-credit-cards-should-i-have-credit-card-statistics-the-number-of-credit-cards-you-should-have/">massive debt</a> for something you cannot afford typically does not end well.  People over estimate how much households make in the Bay Area:</p>
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<p>These figures flat out do not support current prices.  A low interest rate is merely a teaser to do something inane like taking on $20,000 in credit card debt just because you can get 12 months at zero percent.</p>
<p>The City is bound for a second go around in the California correction.  10 years to get to the bubble peak, might take 10 years to reach the bottom (i.e., 2016).  Garbage in, garbage out.</p>
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		<title>Why strategic defaults benefit the dialog on housing.  Strategic defaults moving faster than HAMP modifications.  The movement for stronger mortgage requirements.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 21:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know many of you have strong opinions regarding strategic defaults.  People have a hard time blending in moral and financial obligations.  It really is a fine balance and public discourse gets muddied with emotional arguments to a somewhat obvious economic issue.  The housing market has not been normal for over a decade.  Even today [...]<script type="text/javascript">SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: "Why strategic defaults benefit the dialog on housing.  Strategic defaults moving faster than HAMP modifications.  The movement for stronger mortgage requirements.", url: "http://financemymoney.com/strategic-defaults-benefit-housing-talks-more-strategic-defaults-than-hamp-modifications/" });</script>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know many of you have strong opinions regarding strategic defaults.  People have a hard time blending in moral and financial obligations.  It really is a fine balance and public discourse gets muddied with emotional arguments to a somewhat obvious economic issue.  The housing market has not been normal for over a decade.  Even today there is this assumption that since the market has purged the bulk of subprime and <a href="../../../../../the-option-arm-kingpins-who-holds-the-elusive-option-arms-189-billion-securitized-and-outstanding-and-big-three-of-wells-fargo-jp-morgan-and-bank-of-america-playing-with-time/">option ARM loans</a> (at least on the origination front) that lending standards are now good.  They are not.  In fact, the big problems now in the housing market stem from prime mortgages going bad.  Recent data showed that for every four foreclosures, one person would deliberately stop paying on their home.  This is such a foreign concept but it strikes at the core of the problem.</p>
<p>The strategic default problem is probably bigger than many would have expected.  The number one reason for strategic defaults involves negative equity:</p>
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<p>Source:  Census, Zillow</p>
<p>Now being underwater is the number one reason that sets people up for <a href="../../../../../strategic-default-and-walk-away-from-that-albatross-of-a-mortgage-%e2%80%93-strategic-default-increased-by-68-times-from-2005-to-2008-in-california-the-economic-psychology-of-walking-away-and-is-a-2/">strategic defaults</a>.  After all, if you weren’t underwater and wanted to get rid of your home you would presumably just sell at market value.  Yet with one-third of mortgages underwater, many are making the conscious decision to walk away from their mortgage obligation.  Keep in mind that this is one fraction of the foreclosure market.  The vast majority of people in or entering foreclosures get there because of their actual inability to pay for their monthly obligation.  This comes from job losses, wage cuts, or mortgage adjustments.</p>
<p>Strategic defaults have never been seen to this level because never had so many people purchased homes with little to no money down.  If there is really this anger out in the market, then people should move toward a mass movement of massively increasing down payments to at least 10 percent or even higher.  In this regards, strategic defaults are good because they bring forward the root problems of what led us into the housing bubble.  If someone had to put in say 10 percent of their own money, walking away would involve skin in the game.  Let us run this scenario with a 10 percent price decline:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Old method</span></strong></p>
<p>Price of home:                  $500,000</p>
<p>Mortgage:                           $500,000</p>
<p>Current market value:   $450,000</p>
<p>Negative equity:              $50,000</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">New method</span></strong></p>
<p>Price of home:                  $500,000</p>
<p>Mortgage:                           $500,000</p>
<p>Current market value:   $450,000</p>
<p>Negative equity:              0</p></blockquote>
<p>It is clear that the second case not only provides a buffer for real estate price decreases, but it will also make people think twice about walking away from their hard saved down payment.  In the first case, the owner is now underwater by $50,000 with little money at play.  They either decide to keep paying and hope prices go up or walk away.  And many are deciding to pursue the latter option.  Some may seek out a <a href="http://www.paydayloansresource.org/" target="_blank">payday loan resource</a> if things become too difficult to manage.</p>
<p>In fact, more people are strategically defaulting than getting help from HAMP:</p>
<blockquote><p>“(<a href="http://www.upi.com/Real-Estate/2010/05/04/Strategic-Defaults-Outpace-HAMP-Modifications/8591272984515/" target="_blank">UPI</a>) Last quarter, more homeowners voluntarily defaulted on their mortgages and chose to walk away from their homes than the total number of mortgages permanently modified to date under the Administration&#8217;s year-old Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP).</p>
<p>According to new data from the team of researchers at the University of Chicago and Northwestern University that first identified the scope of &#8220;strategic default&#8221; behavior last year, the number of homeowners willing to default when the value of a mortgage exceeds the value of their house, even if they can afford to pay their mortgage, has dramatically increased compared to just a year ago.</p>
<p>The percentage of foreclosures that were perceived to be strategic was 31 percent in March 2010, compared to 22 percent in March 2009. RealtyTrac reported foreclosure filings on 932,234 properties in the first quarter, a 7 percent increase from the previous quarter and a 16 percent increase from the first quarter of 2009.</p>
<p>Some 288,992 foreclosures per quarter are strategic defaults. Under the Home Affordable Modification Program, through March, 227,922 mortgages had been permanently modified since the program began March 4, 2009.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The good news is the solution for future problems is rather straightforward.  We need to increase down payments by a large amount.  With FHA insured loans only requiring 3.5% down, this would mean a near tripling of cost out of pocket for a <a href="../../../../../housings-treacherous-path-from-44-percent-homeownership-to-70-percent-the-levittown-dream-and-nothing-down-madness-how-a-nation-lost-its-way-with-homeownership/">purchase of a home</a>.  And this would in fact slow down the housing market but is this necessarily bad?  Let us run the numbers:</p>
<blockquote><p>Home price:                                       $200,000</p>
<p>FHA down payment today:          $7,000 (3.5%)</p></blockquote>
<p>Run these numbers with a new scenario:</p>
<blockquote><p>Home price:                                       $200,000</p>
<p>New down payment:                     $20,000 (10%)</p></blockquote>
<p>This benefits the buyer since they have more skin in the game but also, they have a buffer for a 10 percent price decrease instead of a 3.5 percent buffer.  And we already know that selling costs amount to 5 to 6 percent so technically that person buying with a 3.5% down payment is underwater the day they sign the mortgage.</p>
<p>We really need to think about the future of mortgages or we are simply setting up another <a href="../../../../../housings-treacherous-path-from-44-percent-homeownership-to-70-percent-the-levittown-dream-and-nothing-down-madness-how-a-nation-lost-its-way-with-homeownership/">housing crisis</a> in the near future.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 06:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know something has gone mainstream when it hits 60 Minutes.  The latest episode on 60 Minutes discussed the topic of strategic defaults and how 1 out of 5 current foreclosures are actually occurring because people are voluntarily choosing not to pay their mortgage.  This is a trend that started last year and has picked [...]<script type="text/javascript">SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: "Strategic Defaults go Mainstream – Why the strategic default trend shows us the need for larger home buying down payments.", url: "http://financemymoney.com/strategic-defaults-walking-away-mortgages-housing/" });</script>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know something has gone mainstream when it hits 60 Minutes.  The latest episode on 60 Minutes discussed the topic of strategic defaults and how 1 out of 5 current foreclosures are actually occurring because people are voluntarily choosing not to pay their mortgage.  This is a trend that started last year and has picked up steam.  The reason strategic defaults have gained favor is partly due to the fact that many Americans have chosen this as a path forward in dealing with large mortgage payments on underwater homes.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/06/60minutes/main6466484.shtml?tag=currentVideoInfo;segmentTitle" target="_blank">60 Minutes</a> piece is worth watching.  It seems like the question of morality comes up a few times.  But I can assure you that if people went in with 20 percent down, they would think multiple times before walking away.  Also keep in mind that big banks went into deals with little down and have also walked away from giant deals:</p>
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<blockquote><p>“Despite some indications that the economy is recovering, the housing market remains a disaster area. Currently, about seven million homeowners are behind on their mortgages and that number is only getting worse.</p>
<p>Banks, with the help of the government, are offering some relief to homeowners who&#8217;ve lost jobs and just can&#8217;t meet their payments.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a growing number who can pay but are simply walking away from houses that are now worth as little as half of what they paid for them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called &#8220;strategic default.&#8221; People have done the math and decided making those monthly payments is just throwing money away, leaving the mortgage holders &#8211; the banks &#8211; as zookeepers of an ever-growing parade of white elephants.</p>
<p>In the past year it is estimated that at least a million Americans who can afford to stay in their homes simply walked away.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet one point wasn’t discussed and this was why strategic defaults are only occurring during this housing crisis.  That is, people purposely trying to lose their homes.  The reason has to do with toxic mortgages like <a href="http://financemymoney.com/the-option-arm-day-of-reckoning-for-california-is-here-60-month-window-opens-for-134-billion-in-recasts-why-option-arms-will-hit-mid-to-upper-priced-homes/" target="_blank">option ARMs</a> that required very low down payments (or nothing).  The minimum down payment we should require on all home purchases is 10 percent.  Why?  To avoid massive problems like this.  Someone that has 10 percent in a home will think twice about walking away.  They also won’t jump into a home with no skin in the game.  Until we change these rules, we can expect more people to walk away from mortgages that are more valuable than the homes they are attached to.</p>
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